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by David C. Fisher
Product Group: Book
Publisher: Zondervan (1996-05-02)
ISBN: 0310201543
EAN: 9780310201540
UPC: 025986201548
Dewy Decimal #: 253
Paperback: 256 pages
SKU: 050108038
Condition: Used: Good
Comments: ...No Underlining or Highlighting.....moderate cover wear.. 333
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As we begin the third millennium, David Fisher encourages pastors to become effective in ministry by first finding their identity in Christ.
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God's Master Builders
Rating  (4)
Date: 2007-10-29
0 out of 2 customers found this reveiw helpful
page 187 - God's Master Builders
Paul abruptly changes the metaphor from God's field to God's building (I Cor. 3:9). Paul's ministry and ours is to be God's master builders. The word Paul uses is 'architecton'. A 'tekton' is a carpenter, but an 'architecton' is the craftsman who serves as the architect, contractor and engineer.
Great nuggets of information. Buy it!!
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Helping laypeople help their pastor
Rating  (5)
Date: 2006-05-29
4 out of 4 customers found this reveiw helpful
Pastor Fisher's book is no doubt of great assistance to new pastors, who need a more practical and comprehensive preparation for the ministry than provided in seminary.
However, it is also of great assistance to the laity who want to better understand and support their pastor. The pastor's job can be a lonely one. It is in the interest of the entire congregation for their pastor to succeed.
David Fisher is the ideal person to write such a book. He has many years of experience, pastoring churches throughout the United States. (I was honored to have him as my senior pastor many years ago in New Hope, Minnesota.) He brings to the job a refreshing mix of friendliness and intellectual curiosity.
Though this book is now 10 years old, its timeless principles may well assist churches for another 90 years ... when God willing devout pastors and congregations throughout the world will be preparing for the 22nd century.
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fisher's book
Rating (5)
Date: 2003-08-16
12 out of 12 customers found this reveiw helpful
I am a student at Moody Bible Institute in their Pastoral Studies program. I stumbled upon this book while doing research into "What is a pastor?" I found Fisher's cander refreshing and myself identifying with many of his experiences...and applauding his solutions. He writes from a conservative viewpoint with the Bible as his authority. This book was helpful to encourage me in the difficult task ahead of pastoring a church in this pluralistic, postmodern, and pagan society, and would recommend it to any aspiring Christian shepherd!
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A fantastic help to my doubts, a stimulous to go ahead
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Date: 1998-02-27
8 out of 9 customers found this reveiw helpful
I had four important and definitive books in my life. First of all the Bible. In my conversion "Christian Counter culture"by John Stott. During my growth "Authentic Life", by Ray stedman. And during my bigest crisis in ministry this book of Pastor Fisher
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by Sara Trollinger
Product Group: Book
Publisher: HigherLife Development Services, Inc. (2008-09-15)
ISBN: 0979322715
EAN: 9780979322716
Dewy Decimal #: 253
Hardcover: 321 pages
SKU: 010509024
Condition: Used: Good
Comments: ...no markings or highlighting...minor wear on dustjacket
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A Handbook for Counseling Teens and Families. Today's new generation of families are being pushed to the edge as their teens deal with code red conduct where alcohol abuse, drug addictions, promiscuity, cutting, violence, rage, and rebellion are the outward symptoms of a deeply hurting soul. Advanced Triage Counseling is an authoritative, compassionate, clear handbook that will helps families deal with teen/parent issues.
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by C. Peter Wagner
Product Group: Book
Publisher: Regal Books (1999-04)
ISBN: 0830719156
EAN: 9780830719150
Dewy Decimal #: 280
Hardcover: 276 pages
SKU: 093008006
Condition: Used: Good
Comments: ...no markings or highlighting...shelf wear on dustjacket
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Amway Apostles
Rating  (3)
Date: 2005-02-07
10 out of 12 customers found this reveiw helpful
Because this book is essentially an apologetic for self-styled mega-church leaders it is worth reading. It assumes a "reformation" posture: declare that the church is in unprecedented crisis, decide that the solution is to return to the "New Testament model", and then presume to describe what this model is.
After reading this book I learned how similar the first century church was to our 21st century MLM corporations. It really is uncanny. In light of this discovery, perhaps pastors should study real business gurus such as Peter F. Drucker or Geoffrey A. Moore.
The sum of "Churchquake" can be found towards the end of the last chapter on raising money. After demonstating that larger donors should get preferencial attention from the pastor, Peter Wagner asks aloud; how does the pastor know the income level of the church members? The answer is simple. "A good pastor knows his sheep!" (pg.261) Apparently Wagners' research of church history uncovered the fact that early church elders recieved printouts every Monday listing the top donors in order to reward them with a week at a luxury resort on the Mediterrenean.
This is the heart of these new "Apostles". No longer are they spiritual leaders with a mission to feed the sheep---they have become organizational leaders with a machine that fleeces sheep. (John 21;15-16). The crucial question is...do they realize it?
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Last Gasp Chance For Unsuccessful Movement?
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Date: 2003-10-31
8 out of 22 customers found this reveiw helpful
Many Church Growthers are honest and admitting that CG has not been growing the church -- e.g. see George Barna in "Boiling Point" or William Chadwick's excellent book "Stealing Sheep."So, leader Wagner and others are doing something they admit the church catholic has never attempted -- fill the office of apostle. Do the exegesis of their proof -- Eph. 4! It will not allow their heretical translation. This is desparation in motion! To pride themselves on moving away from theology to practice and say that they are still holding to Reformation theology. From justification to sanctification; from cross to crown! This is dangerous and faulty theology at its worst! This is an exhibition of 2 Tim. 4 coming true in spades in our time -- "for the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires." No sheep who follows the voice of the Good Shepherd will recognize his leading voice in this.
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Insightful analysis of post-denominational Christianity
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Date: 2003-10-18
7 out of 11 customers found this reveiw helpful
There is a churchquake shaking up the church as we know it- the New Apostolic Reformation. C. Peter Wagner turns his prophetic analysis on this move of God that is changing the very face of Christianity. Wagner begins with an insightful analysis of the decline of denominationalism. It is devastating. Denominations look to contextual factors for their decline, sociological factors that the church cannot control; whereas Wagner attributes their decline to seven institutional factors well within their control to deal with. Thus, rather than playing victim to the world around it, the church needs to look within itself for the cause of its decline in both numbers and influence.Wagner believes that we live in a day that calls for new wineskins, that God is doing a new work, using new forms, to promulgate the gospel in the world today. Unlike the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century, the new Apostolic Reformation is not so much a reformation of faith, but of practice. Thus Wagner states that the current reformation is not so much against corruption and apostasy as it is against irrelevance. For those who may get hung up on Wagner's use of the word- Apostolic, a more palatable term for evangelicals to use to describe this move of God is post-denominational Christianity. Of course using the term- Apostolic, is a cause of concern among many evangelicals and Wagner goes to great length to define his terms. Wagner sees three nuances that apply to the New Apostolic Reformation. 1. New Testament Christianity. Wagner notes that the reformers of the 16th century used the term apostolic to affirm their doctrine of sola scriptura. Wagner believes that the new apostolic churches reflect more closely the New Testament style in terms of ministry than traditional churches. 2. Priority Outreach to Pre-Christian Populations. Wagner notes that the root for the word apostle means- the sent ones. Thus, apostolic churches focus on reaching non-Christian populations and are driven to make them disciples of Christ. 3. The third and most controversial characteristic of the New Apostolic Reformation is the recognition of the gift and office of apostle in the church today. Wagner defines the spiritual gift of an apostle as follows: The gift of apostle is the special ability that God gives to certain members of the body of Christ to assume and exercise general leadership over a number of churches with extraordinary authority in spiritual matters that is spontaneously recognized and appreciated by these churches. Wagner sees the failure of denominations to recognize the gifts of apostles and prophets, while at the same time, recognizing the gifts of pastor, teacher and evangelist having more to do with entrenched ecclesiastical traditions than biblical exegesis. Whether you are intrigued by the new Apostolic Reformation or see it as a cause of concern, you ought to read this book. Wagner presents in in-depth, sound biblical argument for his thesis, while at the same time recognizing the weaknesses and faults of the New Apostolic Movement.
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The Church as an Autocracy or dispenser of Christian Love?
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Date: 2003-04-05
14 out of 16 customers found this reveiw helpful
In summarising chapter one it is clear that Wagner requires the reader to accept a number of his assertions as givens without critical analysis. If the underlying premise is not accepted then the reader will have difficulty accepting the rest of the book. However there are significant points he raises which allow the reader to ask some difficult and painful questions of the church in the 21sr century.
In chapter 2 he spends some time explaining how he came to the use of the term as opposed to 60 possible names and essentially pads his book out a bit with some of the rejected definitions. Three important nuances of the term apostolic" are discussed. These include the reformation use of the term to affirm the doctrine of sola scriptura, early Pentecostal use to define the restoration of apostolic faith after 18 centuries of apostasy. The second nuance relates to the evangelical priority of these congregations. The third relates to the gift and office of apostle. The use of the word "nuance" is interesting in that its definition is that of association only. It is not a strong term but subtle. One needs to ask if Wagner is drawing a long bow here to further develop his argument that the new apostolic churches are based on the doctrine of sola scriptura, restoration of apostolic faith and the office of apostle?
In chapter 3 Wagner presents factual information which is interesting and informative with the expectation that the reader will accept what he is saying as a fait accomplit. There is another view and very rarely does he allude to this such as Tony Campolo's view that denominationalism has a future.
In chapter 4 he aims to have the reader accept the idea that the pastor is like a managing director or CEO with spiritual authority delegated by the Holy Spirit to the extent that Wagner's own pastor has sole discretion for the expenditure of 65% of the church budget of $5 million
Read together chapter five and six suggest to me that New Apostolic Churches have the potential to become as corrupt as the Roman Catholic Church prior to the Reformation. Rather than one pope the NAC philosophy suggests having lots of "apostles" leading networks with decision making centralised with the individual apostle.
In chapter seven Dr Wagner assumes that liturgical worship is inferior to spontaneous worship.
In chapter 8 Wagner expounds his theory that outreach in NAC networks is focussed on four central tasks - expanding the local church, planting new churches, mercy ministries and cross cultural mission. Whilst Wagner makes some good points in chapter 8 he unfortunately is somewhat lacking in taking cultural, political and social factors into account when supporting his argument
Wagner for a Church historian makes an astounding claim that `apostolic theology of lay ministry' is a fairly recent discovery of the last 25-30 years in chapter 9.He then goes on to develop this argument using sub headings such as "Every Church Member a Minister", `Reconsidering Clergy versus Laity' and "the Pastor as Coach."
Chapter Ten - Money? NO PROBLEMS
This of all chapters in the book probably utilises scripture the most. This may be because ultimately he can find no sociological references to support the views presented in this chapter which is what he has generally done for the first nine chapters of the book. Unfortunately his use of scripture is selective and biased and one does not have to be a theological student to see that he has clearly forgotten Jesus' references to giving being something done in secret between the giver and God.
Unfortunately he presents the use of money and the way it is given in New Apostolic Churches in a way that would make most Australian Christians uncomfortable and suspicious of the motives of pastoral oversight of the offering and knowledge of how much people are giving and who is giving what. Not content to present this scenario he then goes on to suggest that it is legitimate for the big givers to get rewarded in ways that those who do not give as much may not be rewarded! He even cites a church that has a week in a resort for those who give over one million dollars.
This chapter if read alone convinces me that what Wagner is presenting as an apologist for the NAC network is nothing more than an autocratic bureaucracy, which redefines the relationships of Christians in the church and uses slick marketing and commercial business principles to govern the church and presents what are blatantly unbiblical methods for raising money. One might be forgiven for wondering if Wagner's ego has overtaken his commitment to serve the church with the story on page 241 about the honorariums he was given by two churches where he spoke for a weekend. If he was to measure his worth in dollar terms then he should have openly indicated what he expected as payment at the first church rather than using the discrepancy in the amount proffered by both churches to build his case.
SUMMARY
Wagner identifies himself in the book as having been a member of the Congregational church for most of his life. It is not clear what theological emphasis this denomination had on his life, however it appears that he has experienced a late life crisis (conversion) where he has been either renewed or born again. If the NAC network is responsible for this new found fervour then it is not surprising that he has written a book that lacks credibility and is highly critical of "traditional" churches. I can identify with this following my own conversion from Catholicism. Following my conversion I was highly critical of the Catholic Church and could easily have written a book such as Wagner has written pointing out all the faults of the Catholic Church.
His description of the New Apostolic Church Network is blinkered and uncritical whilst his view of traditional churches is fairly scathing, not recognising the positive things achieved by the church in the last 2000 years.
He continually uses the Southern Baptists as exceptions to most arguments where he states that the church is in decline. Given that this denomination is the exception to his rule it is worth asking what is it that makes them different. I would suggest that the answer is self evident as everything he argues for on behalf of the NAC network can be cited as true of Southern Baptists:
Baptists are still young as a denomination compared with more traditional churches;
They are driven by vision and values - ie the Great Commission;
The pastor leads the church (at least in USA) where when a new pastor is inducted the whole leadership resigns and allows the pastor a free hand to establish the church under his leadership;
Contemporary worship is not a monopoly of the NACs.;
Southern Baptists would probably have the largest number of missionaries of any denomination in the world;
Outreach is still a priority and SBCs are large churches.
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Where's the Bible in this book?
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Date: 2000-09-15
16 out of 21 customers found this reveiw helpful
I was extremely disappointed in Wagner's latest book about new and exciting ways that God is moving in today's world. The theological holes in Wagner's beliefs become much more glaring in his presentation of present-day Apostleship. He has great and exciting stories, but he becomes less and less connected to the Word. I would take extreme precaution in applying his principles because they seem to be founded more upon a mysticism and less on Biblical example. Just be careful.
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by Gilbert Bilezikian
Product Group: Book
Publisher: Zondervan (1997-08-23)
ISBN: 0310217415
EAN: 9780310217411
UPC: 025986217419
Dewy Decimal #: 262.7
Paperback: 208 pages
SKU: 081208025
Condition: Used: Very Good
Comments: ...No noticeable Underlining or Highlighting...excellent condition
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"Community 101" is a carefully reasoned and passionately argued plea for the church to fulfill its essential nature and calling.
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disagreed
Rating  (2)
Date: 2006-08-05
2 out of 3 customers found this reveiw helpful
The book is well written if one agrees with his line of reasoning. Unfortunately, his insisting on the word "head" (as in husband being head of the marriage) as having no connotations of authority is simply wrong as far as my understanding of greek can tell.
Also, his description of the trinity, in which no one member submits to the other (he consistantly uses the word "subordination", a tactic of feminist writers but not typically evangelical writers) strikes me as being very unorthodox. There are some scriptures he did not deal with that he would have to in order to convince a wider, Biblically literate audience of his trinitarian views.
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Completely Radical
Rating (5)
Date: 2005-08-03
Before I read this book, I was beginning to process the idea of community and the radical implications it has for the church and this book succintly puts it together.
Radical is kind of a funny 80's word, but I think it most accurately describes what the author is proposing God wants for His people. it has nothing to do with gender, everything to do with giftedness and can be uncomfortable when faced with some feedback on yourself. How amazingly different from the world which clamours to one up each other, and hold power over others. how much Jesus and Paul turned the worlds thinking on its head. how much like God to do so!
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Very Well Done!!!
Rating (5)
Date: 2005-06-02
I enjoy this book from first page to last. Author is sharing his insightful analysis on the community: to seek the authentic meaning of "community" to this generation when importance of community is vanishing!!! Highly recommended!!! I think it is a 'must-read' for all!
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Best book written on church community
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Date: 2003-06-13
2 out of 2 customers found this reveiw helpful
This book was written in 1997 and would still have to be the best book written on church community. A Biblically functioning community is not stagnant, boring, restrictive or judgemental. Read this book and catch a glimpse of community life that no sane person would ever want to live without. In fact dont just read it - be challenged to not only transform your own way of 'doing' church but transforming the lives of others with the richness found in developing a Biblically functioning community. You will not be disappointed.
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Life Changing book; a must read
Rating (5)
Date: 2002-03-07
Dr. B writes with power and deep insights about the church, leadership, gender relationships and our responsibility as Christians to each other and the kingdom's work. Reading this book with honesty and openness permits the reader to be challenged and changed in their life and worldview. It is a must read for those serious about their call to Christian service.
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by Jane E. Vennard, Stephen D. Bryant
Product Group: Book
Publisher: Upper Room Books (2007-02)
ISBN: 0835899063
EAN: 9780835899062
Dewy Decimal #: 248.32
Paperback: 128 pages
SKU: 111408022
Condition: Used: Very Good
Comments: ...no markings or highlighting...light shelf wear on cover
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by Joseph L. Umidi
Product Group: Book
Publisher: Kregel Academic & Professional (2000-03-14)
ISBN: 0825439027
EAN: 9780825439025
Dewy Decimal #: 254
Paperback: 160 pages
SKU: 083008021
Condition: Used: Good
Comments: .....moderate cover wear.. ...some notations in pencil
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A guide to both sides of the candidate process. Valuable appendices help with selection of the search committee and offer self-evaluations for congregations and candidates.
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by Jay Edward Adams
Product Group: Book
Publisher: Timeless Texts (2004-07)
ISBN: 1889032298
EAN: 9781889032290
Paperback: 134 pages
SKU: 083008022
Condition: Used: Good
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by (Editor: J. Dudley Woodberry) (Editor: Charles Van Engen) (Editor: Edgar J. Elliston)
Product Group: Book
Publisher: Orbis Books (1996-09)
ISBN: 1570750890
EAN: 9781570750892
Dewy Decimal #: 266.007
Paperback: 310 pages
SKU: 102308009
Condition: Used: Good
Comments: ...no markings or highlighting...minor wear on cover
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by William J. Bausch
Product Group: Book
Publisher: Twenty-Third Publications (1994-07)
ISBN: 0896226077
EAN: 9780896226074
Dewy Decimal #: 250
Paperback: 328 pages
SKU: 081208035
Condition: Used: Good
Comments: some highlighting...minor wear on cover
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The title says it all
Rating (5)
Date: 2000-06-13
4 out of 5 customers found this reveiw helpful
Bill Bausch is not only a great story teller, but he is also an insightful and compassionate pastor. This manual will indeed help pastors to empower their parish communities to continue the mission of Christ on earth. The very pratical and deatailed tips included in this manual will give pastors a plethora of tools for use.
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